Comments on: Plan to outsource jobs to India ‘could be illegal’ says union http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/ The home of UK regional journalism news and jobs Fri, 17 May 2013 14:55:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Chris Youett, Esq, http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22987 Chris Youett, Esq, Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:39:22 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22987 If any of the Top 12 media employers think that relocating even a small part of their operations to India they urgently need to speak to their colleagues in book publishing. Indians speak a different version of English to us, many things get changed in translation. Most book publishers wished that they had never listened to the so-called "management consultants" - and are actively trying to move back to the UK with their tails between their legs. If any of the Top 12 media employers think that relocating even a small part of their operations to India they urgently need to speak to their colleagues in book publishing. Indians speak a different version of English to us, many things get changed in translation.

Most book publishers wished that they had never listened to the so-called “management consultants” – and are actively trying to move back to the UK with their tails between their legs.

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]]> By: In the money? http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22852 In the money? Mon, 02 Jul 2012 08:53:36 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22852 After a strategic review of my 225% bonus potential....... After a strategic review of my 225% bonus potential…….

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]]> By: innocentbystander http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22742 innocentbystander Fri, 29 Jun 2012 08:24:24 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22742 I'm a JP employee and I'm waiting to hear Ashley Highfield's views on this matter, either on this forum, his blog or email. Come on Ashley, you're not usually so shy - speak up! I’m a JP employee and I’m waiting to hear Ashley Highfield’s views on this matter, either on this forum, his blog or email. Come on Ashley, you’re not usually so shy – speak up!

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]]> By: BombayBicycleClub http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22725 BombayBicycleClub Thu, 28 Jun 2012 15:59:53 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22725 Correct Corporal, and only as strong as the resolve of that collective. And that, apart from a few exceptions, is not very strong at all, for understandable reasons. That is why companies get away with industrial murder these days. Correct Corporal, and only as strong as the resolve of that collective. And that, apart from a few exceptions, is not very strong at all, for understandable reasons. That is why companies get away with industrial murder these days.

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]]> By: Corporal Clegg http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22710 Corporal Clegg Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:35:22 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22710 JPDrone and tide timez both miss the point. Unions are about strength in numbers, and defending rights and conditions in the workplace. Not looking after number 1. JPDrone and tide timez both miss the point.
Unions are about strength in numbers, and defending rights and conditions in the workplace.
Not looking after number 1.

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]]> By: JPdrone http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22704 JPdrone Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:04:45 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22704 GladImOutOfit - I have legal expenses insurance, as an add on to my household contents insurance, and it's great! I can access a legal helpline seven days a week, and, believe me, I've had cause to do that several times over the last few years, thanks to JP. It also covers me for representation by an employment lawyer at a tribunal, up to the value of £150,000. Not sure what it costs me each year, a very small amount, probably less than £50, but worth its weight in gold. GladImOutOfit – I have legal expenses insurance, as an add on to my household contents insurance, and it’s great! I can access a legal helpline seven days a week, and, believe me, I’ve had cause to do that several times over the last few years, thanks to JP.

It also covers me for representation by an employment lawyer at a tribunal, up to the value of £150,000.

Not sure what it costs me each year, a very small amount, probably less than £50, but worth its weight in gold.

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]]> By: Corporal Clegg http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22703 Corporal Clegg Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:03:01 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22703 The NUJ is right to legally challenge this appalling move. Top brass at JP need to know how angry and disillusioned people are, regardless of the feelgood piffle coming from the top. The NUJ is right to legally challenge this appalling move. Top brass at JP need to know how angry and disillusioned people are, regardless of the feelgood piffle coming from the top.

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]]> By: happyjack http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22701 happyjack Thu, 28 Jun 2012 14:00:12 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22701 It seems the Press Association and Express KCS Ltd are getting off lightly so far. JP deserves the flak it's getting but no doubt PA and Express were not just sitting back hoping JP would invite them to take on the work but are out there promoting the notion of switching to India and cutting costs. Go on to the Express KCS website as I just did and you'll see this won't be the end of it. Express is an American company, gets the work done in India and the four people it profiles don't seem to have much passion for newspapers or much interest in keeping jobs in Peterborough and the like. It seems the Press Association and Express KCS Ltd are getting off lightly so far.
JP deserves the flak it’s getting but no doubt PA and Express were not just sitting back hoping JP would invite them to take on the work but are out there promoting the notion of switching to India and cutting costs.
Go on to the Express KCS website as I just did and you’ll see this won’t be the end of it.
Express is an American company, gets the work done in India and the four people it profiles don’t seem to have much passion for newspapers or much interest in keeping jobs in Peterborough and the like.

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]]> By: MagicMushroom http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22700 MagicMushroom Thu, 28 Jun 2012 13:59:18 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22700 As usual JP are well behind the trend - Newsquest started doing this nearly 5 years ago in Stourbridge, with the rest of the country outsourced relatively quickly after. As usual JP are well behind the trend – Newsquest started doing this nearly 5 years ago in Stourbridge, with the rest of the country outsourced relatively quickly after.

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]]> By: GladImOutOfIt http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22686 GladImOutOfIt Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:39:28 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22686 ALL your legal expenses? Don't you believe it, tide-timez. They cover you when you're being sued, not when you want to challenge anyone over anything not directly related to your insurance policy! ALL your legal expenses? Don’t you believe it, tide-timez. They cover you when you’re being sued, not when you want to challenge anyone over anything not directly related to your insurance policy!

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]]> By: noonetoknow http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22680 noonetoknow Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:17:14 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22680 India is a lovely place to work these days. Stop being hysterical and get a bag packed. You might find it's the best move you ever made. Personally I would not do it but for the affected staff it's not a problem, they are not journos or editors so off you pop and give it a go. India is a lovely place to work these days. Stop being hysterical and get a bag packed. You might find it’s the best move you ever made. Personally I would not do it but for the affected staff it’s not a problem, they are not journos or editors so off you pop and give it a go.

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]]> By: Mark Hanna http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22678 Mark Hanna Thu, 28 Jun 2012 12:16:46 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22678 Reply to tide-timez What you can't get necessarily from legal services insurance policies is access to a lawyer well-versed in the background of media managements, even if he/she is an employment specialist. Is any trade union membership value for money looked at on an annual basis? Probably not for most people in most years, but if the union was not there, your wages might be even lower, and managements might be even bigger bullies, so that needs to be in the equation too. Even people in non-unionised workplaces get some benefit from the fact of unions' existence, in that unions monitor managements generally and lobby for better laws. And anyway,benefits from union membership include the intangibles such as comradeship to sustain holding out for a better deal or respect. By the way, no-one is paying Pete Lazenby for what he does for the chapel at Leeds. You can't get that via your insurance policy. Reply to tide-timez

What you can’t get necessarily from legal services insurance policies is access to a lawyer well-versed in the background of media managements, even if he/she is an employment specialist.

Is any trade union membership value for money looked at on an annual basis? Probably not for most people in most years, but if the union was not there, your wages might be even lower, and managements might be even bigger bullies, so that needs to be in the equation too. Even people in non-unionised workplaces get some benefit from the fact of unions’ existence, in that unions monitor managements generally and lobby for better laws.

And anyway,benefits from union membership include the intangibles such as comradeship to sustain holding out for a better deal or respect.

By the way, no-one is paying Pete Lazenby for what he does for the chapel at Leeds. You can’t get that via your insurance policy.

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]]> By: Runaway Ed http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22676 Runaway Ed Thu, 28 Jun 2012 11:53:06 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22676 Sutler - I think you may well be right about growing public disapproval of this sort of commercial behaviour. It's a natural extension of the national mood on matters such as wanting to see fat cats getting the boot and the mistrust of banks. Most British families have now been touched by redundancy and those who thought otherwise now realise how hard it is to find new employment that pays the bills. Staff chucked on the scrap heap in this manner should approach their MPs and press them to raise it in the House, naming and shaming. Sutler – I think you may well be right about growing public disapproval of this sort of commercial behaviour. It’s a natural extension of the national mood on matters such as wanting to see fat cats getting the boot and the mistrust of banks.
Most British families have now been touched by redundancy and those who thought otherwise now realise how hard it is to find new employment that pays the bills.
Staff chucked on the scrap heap in this manner should approach their MPs and press them to raise it in the House, naming and shaming.

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]]> By: tide-timez http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22661 tide-timez Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:51:18 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22661 Re- personal disputes with an employer, insurance premiums to cover all your legal expenses start from about £20: check with a broker if you don't believe me. You may not even need to purchase, as many household insurance policies provide such cover or do it as an add-on. Oh, Mr Hanna, just remind me how much annual NUJ membership costs? Re- personal disputes with an employer, insurance premiums to cover all your legal expenses start from about £20: check with a broker if you don’t believe me. You may not even need to purchase, as many household insurance policies provide such cover or do it as an add-on. Oh, Mr Hanna, just remind me how much annual NUJ membership costs?

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]]> By: Des Neely http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22657 Des Neely Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:31:53 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22657 Well said Mark. The NUJ would be a lot stronger if people were not so selfish, thinking only of themselves. Together we are stronger and, believe me, can force change. One guy in our office won't join because "it's either that or my gym fee"! #Moron And well done Peter, too, for challenging this. Well said Mark. The NUJ would be a lot stronger if people were not so selfish, thinking only of themselves. Together we are stronger and, believe me, can force change. One guy in our office won’t join because “it’s either that or my gym fee”! #Moron

And well done Peter, too, for challenging this.

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]]> By: sutler http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22655 sutler Thu, 28 Jun 2012 10:28:01 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22655 Just when you think newspaper companies cannot sink any lower, JP does it again. Perhaps the management should be disciplined for bringing the company into disrepute. But, then again, what reputation does JP have left to bring into further disrepute? I detect a growing public disapproval of companies who behave in the fashion of JP. Perhaps they will pay a price for their cruel and ludicrous behavior. Just when you think newspaper companies cannot sink any lower, JP does it again. Perhaps the management should be disciplined for bringing the company into disrepute. But, then again, what reputation does JP have left to bring into further disrepute?
I detect a growing public disapproval of companies who behave in the fashion of JP. Perhaps they will pay a price for their cruel and ludicrous behavior.

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]]> By: localhero http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22648 localhero Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:53:39 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22648 "Titanic", "deckchairs" and "shuffling around" anybody? RIP JP “Titanic”, “deckchairs” and “shuffling around” anybody?

RIP JP

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]]> By: Mark Hanna http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22643 Mark Hanna Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:23:56 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22643 Reply to George's comment The union is not a 'top down' organisation. It cannot ride to the rescue if the people on the ground are not willing to help themselves. Also, it cannot stem an economic tide running against the industry as a whole. But at the very least, dedicated stalwarts like Peter Lazenby can tell people about their rights, and at the end of the day, the union will help you with legal advice when a solicitor may charge you more (say, for an hour or two of such advice or representation) than the annual subscription to the NUJ. Stick with the NUJ. Otherwise you may be completely on your own when the chips are down. That may be just once in your working life. But the NUJ, for all its faults, could at that time save you more than all the subscriptions you will ever pay to it, and, if only by giving you the legal arguments you need, ensure the management treats you with more respect. Reply to George’s comment

The union is not a ‘top down’ organisation. It cannot ride to the rescue if the people on the ground are not willing to help themselves. Also, it cannot stem an economic tide running against the industry as a whole.

But at the very least, dedicated stalwarts like Peter Lazenby can tell people about their rights, and at the end of the day, the union will help you with legal advice when a solicitor may charge you more (say, for an hour or two of such advice or representation) than the annual subscription to the NUJ. Stick with the NUJ. Otherwise you may be completely on your own when the chips are down. That may be just once in your working life. But the NUJ, for all its faults, could at that time save you more than all the subscriptions you will ever pay to it, and, if only by giving you the legal arguments you need, ensure the management treats you with more respect.

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]]> By: Fred Bloggs http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22642 Fred Bloggs Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:19:43 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22642 Clearly JP are going to outsource jobs to India, I think even given the illegality and immorality of this move they are of a mind and have probably signed contracts. I only hope that every member of staff finds a hole in JP's complaince with employment law and either brings a class action or individually takes JP to a tribunal and extracts multiples of their annual salary in compensation. Good luck and best wishes to everyone persecuted by this move and dare I sugest, join a union; a big one with cash. Clearly JP are going to outsource jobs to India, I think even given the illegality and immorality of this move they are of a mind and have probably signed contracts.

I only hope that every member of staff finds a hole in JP’s complaince with employment law and either brings a class action or individually takes JP to a tribunal and extracts multiples of their annual salary in compensation.

Good luck and best wishes to everyone persecuted by this move and dare I sugest, join a union; a big one with cash.

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]]> By: Zorro http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/2012/news/plans-to-outsource-jobs-to-india-could-be-illegal-says-union/#comment-22641 Zorro Thu, 28 Jun 2012 09:18:21 +0000 http://www.holdthefrontpage.co.uk/?p=1630392#comment-22641 A Clear case of Cowboys and Indians ! A Clear case of Cowboys and Indians !

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